are they still that strong nowadays when you have scott browne -- scott walker in wisconsin able it defeat them a couple of times in ohio they did take some hits. i'm curious to hear that. >> yeah. >> you can start. >> i don't know. on the future, i can't say. i do know, i can go back to 2010 three of the top five spending outside groups were unions. that was reported the wall street jowrnt and i think there's a whole slew of research to back it up. it maybe not on television in other ways they spend money. it's strong in terms of the future of it. i turn it over to maggie. >> like any other sort of sector, if unions don't inte elevate they'll have a problem. i think that's the case for everything, everybody. for a company they have to think about new and unique ways gifting the heart of what they care about. there's a whole history whether it's civil rights, workers rights, or women's rights where people remember why unioners created. most of the world has no rex why it happened. you had to work 18 hours and never got overtime. you got paid a number you live in a town which you work. peop